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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: Ammunition Sectioning Types/Styles

Author: APFSDS
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:23 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 30

Wow! You are right! That is a super sweet sectioned round. Whoever did it did an amazing job.
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: Tank Ammunition "Challenge Coin"

Author: APFSDS
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:18 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 11

Totally awesome information Pepper, Lew & John. I can not get over the variety of coins you have Pepper. Just incredible. I guess they make them for a lot of things. I did a quick Google search and it agrees with everything mentioned here, especially about buying the drinks. Thanks big time. It seems they are highly collectible and that their is even a "Challenge Coin" association. I will have to see if their are other ammunition related coins. My hair got blown back when I saw this one with my favorite tank ammunition. :-)

Jason
PS: I could not agree with you more Pepper about heros in uniform!!! So true!
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: Tank Ammunition "Challenge Coin"

Author: JohnMoss
Subject: Challenge Coin
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:08 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 11

Not sure where the large caliber office is, but the Program Executive Office Ammunition is at Building 171A, Picatinny Arsenal, in New Jersey.
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: 7.62x54R with E.D.P. headstamp

Author: Jon C.
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:15 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 1

Hi Lew,
The EDP is Greek, Olympic Arms. That "321" headstamp is actually an old PRC marking, not Romania.
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: 7.62x54R with E.D.P. headstamp

Author: Lew
Subject: 7.62x54R with E.D.P. headstamp
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:08 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 1

I just ran across this cartridge and wondered if anyone can tell me the anything about the EDP headstamp.

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It was found mixed with some Romanian 7.62x54R headstamped ".321. 53.9".

Lew
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: New UTM items

Author: Lew
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:44 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 9

Well Gyrojet, some more I haven't seen. Any idea of the date on the green and blue plastic tip rounds??? I have never seen these before! Thanks...

Lew
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: 7.62 x 39 (assumed not "original") Chinese

Author: AKMS
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:39 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 1

I'd say so. The ogive is wrong for both rounds, as is the knurled cannelure on the one on the left. The one on the right with the silver tip might have a 7.62x54r LPS steel core ball projectile there. Ogive and tip color/appearance are close. Both of these rounds would have originally had a red/pink case mouth seal, so the absence of this sure points to a reloaded cartridge. I have a "gun show reload" 7.62x39mm on a Russian case with the robin's egg blue tip. It was advertised as a "Raufoss" type explosive-incendiary. You don't usually see these early date Chinese cases used for "gun show reloads", so maybe someone made these up to sell as a collector's item rather than a shooter cartridge. I do see from time to time some really cobbed-together ammunition sold as authentic "exotic" rounds on the auction sites...

AKMS

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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: Tank Ammunition "Challenge Coin"

Author: Lew
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:36 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 11

Challange coins came into favor in the mid-90s as I was leaving the Service. The only way I have seen them used is for the drink challange in the club mentioned above, but in my experience, anyone could issue the challange, not just a superior. Lts and Capts use to take great pleasure in catching a more senior officer without their coin. In the AF, they originally had a SN engraved on them to keep track who they were issued to. I first saw them in the AF special ops community and when given one during a visit, I assumed it was simply a way of soaking me for drinks if I forgot it on subsequent visits. I was either told, or assumed that the tradition came to the AF special ops guys from the Army. The story is probably much broader than that. All I have given a above is my soda straw view of the coins.

One of the very early DOD acquisition reforms in the late 19980s I believe ('89 or so) included Congressional legislation that said there could be only one level of supervision between a major program manager and the Service Acquisition Executive (the senior person, usually a civilian, in charge of acquisition in the military service. That single level of supervision was called the PEO or Program Executive Officer, and he (or she) was typically a military General Officer with a small staff who directly supervised the major programs including "basket" program offices who had a large collection of smaller programs. This coin was a product of the Large Caliber Ammunition Program Office (which is, I think, at Edgewood Arsenal) and the commento on the back simply recognizes that this PM works for the PEO Ammunition.

Lew
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: Greek Stripper clip?

Author: orange
Subject: clip
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:32 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 1

It is the clip for the Greek M1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5mm Rifle.

General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: .41 L.D.A.

Author: Randy Hedeen
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:03 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 4

John.......Refer back to Ray's posting of the case lengths. The earliest version of many cartridges, mostly for revolvers, were made with a short case, with that part of the bullet protruding from the case mouth having exposed grooves containing lubricant made of tallow and beeswax, among other things......Messy. So, a bit later on, they began making the cases slightly longer to encase the lubed part of the bullet down inside the case, making the bullet appear "shorter".......but overall cartridge length about the same, and, as Ray noted, sometimes with a change in bullet diameter..........Randy
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: ID's please (batch #1)(many more to come!)

Author: EOD
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:01 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 27

Thijs, there is also a 12.7x99 document from NAMMO mentioning it.

There are the NM243 and the NM244 (tracer).

Maximum range is given with 3500 meters and the ballistic match to life rounds is up to 800 meters.
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: .41 L.D.A.

Author: Falcon
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:41 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 4

Give those three rounds a rub over with a brass (NOT steel) wire brush. This should remove the dirt while leaving behind the patina. I have used this method very successfully on cases that have come out of the ground, even with dirt that appears corroded onto the case.
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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: Greek Stripper clip?

Author: Liberty
Subject: Greek Stripper clip?
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:26 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 1

Hello

Does any one know what this type of stripper clip this is? It came loaded with 1913 dated 6.5 Greek cartridges. So, is this correct, Greek or something else.

Have several, the backs are marked KB or (H)

Thanks Liberty

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General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: .41 L.D.A.

Author: JohnRich
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:21 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 4

Ray Meketa wrote:

It's a 41 Long Double Action.
First made for the Colt "Thunderer" double action revolver that was introduced in 1877.

Aha! I was looking at the Long Colt but wasn't sure if it was the same thing. The keyword "long double action" got Google to magically make much more info appear in a search, and I've now got what I wanted to know.

Fascinating stuff, as a window for revealing the wide variety of firearms that were in use in that part of Texas in the late 1800's and early 1900's.

Thank you for your help, and the amazing details.

What does "outside lubricated" mean? Was that a wax coating on the lead bullet? Or was there lube on the case too?

General Ammunition Collector Discussion :: RE: 7.5mm Kurzpatrone

Author: flare
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:40 pm (GMT -6)
Topic Replies: 2

Look here:
http://www.ch-munition.ch/gewehrpatrone11/gp11frame.htm